Dummy Attacks and the Execution of Jean Charles De Menezes
Two weeks after July 7th came the July 21st attempted attacks. I was sitting in a pub at the time. This relegates my input on the matter to a rank just above any theory floated by anyone who cares offer an opinion. My ‘educated theory’ on de Menezes death is due to insights gleaned during questioning by Anti-Terror branch detectives.
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Daniel Obachike – July 21st 2005
There was another power-cut localised to our block in Old Street. Being more or less lunchtime a bunch of us decided to take an extended lunch break and were all sitting in The Litten Tree pub around the corner when ‘breaking news’ flashed across the TV screen reporting 4 explosions going off around London. Bearing in mind what I’d been caught-up in a fortnight before, plus the fact most of my colleagues were well into their second pint by then, the reports were met with quizzical looks and a certain amount of glee on the back of a succession of jovial terror-related quips, of which I formed the butt.
But the following day it was announced that a suspect had been shot dead by police gunmen. Immediately, I was not surprised. Nor was I surprised when it later transpired that it had been a completely innocent man later identified as Jean Charles de Menezes. The logic for the ‘failed suicide attacks’ and the authorities seemingly haphazard yet iron-fisted response did not become apparent to me until late January 2006, after my interrogation with an Anti-Terrorist branch detective. It was something he alluded to in passing, that the attacks on 21:7 had thrown awry a carefully laid ‘operational response’ to the 7:7 attacks 2 weeks earlier.
He said that although the attacks were devoid of explosions, they disrupted the investigation into the 7:7 bombings forcing the re-assignment of many of the investigating detectives.
The execution of De Menezes also sent a message to any sympathisers or protesters. A signal saying ‘This is what you’ll get, the same treatment as someone with a primed bomb strapped to their explosive vest.’ So there lay Jean Charles after his killers fired the requisite number of additional shots into his skull and spine, vis-a-vis Kratos. After some high-level denials and lies intended to mislead the public, later reports claimed de Menezes’s excecution was due to his big black coat being ‘mistaken for a suicide bomber’ as it had wires hanging out.
A mistake??? A big puffy coat??? Ain’t Britain great?? So democratic and diverse. Justice For Jean!
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Hi Daniel,
I’ve spent time researching 7/7 and find your story really interesting. I have a few quick questions for you:
1. You state that Bus 30 was held-up by two cars and that after they had moved, the bus diverted off-route into Upper Woburn Place towards Tavistock Square. Did you see a Police Officer direct the driver of the bus into Tavistock? My understanding is that bus 30 was the only bus that was sent off-route
2. Did you notice any smoking debris behind the bus after the explosion? Perhaps a metal container?
3. Did you notice that there were Police on the scene right away, even though the disruption was over half a mile away, at Kings Cross until the bus exploded?
4. Did you notice the speed that the Police cordoned off the road and moved people away? Was it immediate?
5. Did you notice a car that was directly behind the bus and had followed the bus from Euston?
6. Were you treated medically on the scene? Did you notice that the injured didn’t go to hospital, but were kept in the BMA office building, which isn’t a medical facility?
7. Apart from blood, did you notice any other residue on your grey shirt? Perhaps a sticky substance. It could be slightly green in colour.
I’d really appreciate it if you could answer these. If you’d prefer my email address for privacy, let me know.
I have a different theory to you regarding the De Menezes execution. But we can discuss that another day.
Thanks,
Martin.
Hi Martin
I can answer part of your 1st point. The number 30 bus was not the only bus diverted that day, as photos show 2 other buses in front of the number 30, the 205 & 390, neither of which travel down Upper Woburn Place.
Bridget please provide links to the pictures you mention. Any misinformation in the public domain can only hurt this campaign.
Daniel has the shirt you were wearing been forensically examined? I would suggest that explosives other than TATP may be found, which would blow the official story out of the water.
Hi Mike
I agree disinfo is lethal:
Bus 205
Bus 205
Bus 390
Hi, I found you blog very interesting. Do you know also the movement for 911 truth?
PS: your site the4thbomb can’t be displayed correctly on Macintosh. Will you adjust it, in order to make it universal? Thanks.
BTW the 205 was in service before the previous two photos:
Bus 205
i’m happy to see that some man have courage to do what you do !! and all of us must do it !!!
KEEP ON, french resistance is behind you bro !!
Take care
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2. Did you notice any smoking debris behind the bus after the explosion? Perhaps a metal container?No, as soon as I scrambled to my feet I took off in the opposite direction along Tavistock Square.
3. Did you notice that there were Police on the scene right away, even though the disruption was over half a mile away, at Kings Cross until the bus exploded?Yeah, some Uniformed British Transport Police stood behind a cordon, there were some other guys… inside the cordon
4. Did you notice the speed that the Police cordoned off the road and moved people away? Was it immediate?Pretty much
5. Did you notice a car that was directly behind the bus and had followed the bus from Euston?No
6. Were you treated medically on the scene? Did you notice that the injured didn’t go to hospital, but were kept in the BMA office building, which isn’t a medical facility?No & No
7. Apart from blood, did you notice any other residue on your grey shirt? Perhaps a sticky substance. It could be slightly green in colour.Just showered with glass mainly, the blood was acquired later from the lady who was showered with victims’ blood. No green stuff.
Bridget – thanks for the info on the other bus diversions. All this stuff helps.
Daniel – I really appreciate the response, so thanks.
Can I just clarify something? Richard Jones claims to have been on your bus. He was the person that planted the seed of thought that 7/7 might be a suicide attack. However, in almost every interview, his story wildly changed in its detail. Hasib’s complexion, clothes, type of bag & size of bag differ in all interviews In one interview they were both standing downstairs, later they were sitting, later still they’re upstairs.
Did you notice Richard Jones on the bus at any time? I have looked into a number of people interviewed on 7/7, on 7/21 and after De Menezes and some are highly suspect. Do you think Richard Jones is credible at all?
You mention somewhere that the lower deck only had the driver, four female passengers and you as the only male. Was this at the time the bus diverted off route towards Tavistock, or after the bus had turned into Upper Woburn Place and let some passengers leave?
After the explosion, you left the scene almost right away. Do you believe you were the only Bus 30 passenger to do that?
Do you know whether anyone actually went to hospital, or did all the injured get seen to in the BMA building?
If you can and don’t mind, can you describe the actual event? Do you recall the sound of the explosion and whether you felt a shockwave blast? Was it one short boom, or was there a stutter in the sound? Did reality seem surreal and seem like things went wobbly for a second? Was there a silence for a second after the detonation? Did you see any type of flash? How much smoke was there and was it white smoke? Did the area smell strange? Did you see the roof at any point as it came down to the ground?
I know it seems strange to ask about the blast, but I do have some knowledge of explosive compounds, their common use and the chemical reaction of different grade explosives.
Unlike 9/11, we have no TV images of the events on 7/7 and very few witnesses that were near the action and are still alive.
I’m happy to explain why I’m asking or what I’m doing with this info if you wish.
The bulk of your questions are responded to here
There are witness reports on one of the stricken tube trains of floor damage where the boards are ripped upwards – as if the explosion was caused by a device installed under the train. If that is the case, clearly this is all part of a far more sophisticated, expert & premeditated attack.
The “dummy” attacks on the 21st (with flour instead of explosives) serve to promote the official version of the 7th that a small number of suicide bombers carried their devices aboard their target trains and bus.
All the best in 2007 & sympathy to all caught up in the tragic events of that dark day.
Hi Daniel,
Great job on the Alex Jones Show today.
I just want to thank you for your “Braveheart” courage.
I’ll pray for your continued safety, AND courage.
God bless,
From the USA
Congrats for your courage and contribution.
An alternative idea for 21/7 is this: Apart from the dodgy footage at watford station, there is no cctv footage of young asian men with rucksacks on 7/7. This is even more surprising since there is so much cctv of the 21/7 “bombers”, but on 7/7 no footage getting on trains, in stations, on trains etc. nothing. So, among other effects some of which serve to mask the effect I am suggesting, the image of four young asian men on 21/7 with rucksack bombs has a reverse projection effect onto 7/7 reinforcing the official version of four young asian men with rucksacks.
The lack of cctv on 7/7 is extremely problematic for the official version and it is very unlikely that there were any young men with rucksacks on the trains as well as your bus.
The effect of the 21/7 descriptions, and subsequent images, of the near exact profiles of the supposed 7/7 bombers and the m.o. of the attacks should not be underestimated. 21/7 actually serves as excellent cover for the 7/7 story.
Tom Adams
The jean de menezes murder was an absolute catastrophic failing of a totally enept police force…Yet more obscene cover ups by special branch…Even the trial and inquest was a complete sham,topped off by the corroner swaying the decision of a jury……The whole business made me ashamed to be british..THESE PEOPLE DO NOT REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF BRITISH PEOPLE….There is a website you might be interested in called TPUC.org…The man that operates this site would have a lot more to say about this particular issue his name is john james harris……
mate this is truth but you need to be careful, the people up there aint afraid to go to any length and its scary that this has happened to me because the attacks affected everyone in london, i would feel dishonored to be a londoner if this was all true and would be very angry at the big cats.
I have also got some questions
1. Did you look back when you were running away from the bus and see the man with the fake band how far did you run up the road before looking back and seeing this fella that appeared in the picture?
2. When you were helping the woman what was the bogus man doing, how far away were the police on the beat from the phony man in accordance to you, and where were they situated?
3. In your interview you state something about a certain diagram, do you believe that you can remember the fundamental differences?
4. When the bus blew and you were on it, what were the first images you saw and how do they differ from some of the other obviously bogus accounts?
5. It is said that there were plainclothes men right at the diversion, and you stated in your interview that the bus had been diverted, and you noticed two cars near the bus, would you say these looked more than federals and might have been containing the same bogus agents that dotted the next event to happen?
I dont want to pressure you into revealing anything, but i think your story is heartfelt and seems to be really honest. The only way to make it happen is to get the truth out there to people that will change things. Its not alright just to turn a blind eye to this as the public because if they run stupid drills like this and my mama gets hurt i wont be a very happy bunny.
Keep doin wat ur doin
contact me Khotso2007@hotmail.co.uk
Hi Reuben, I wrote a book answering intimately all the questions you ask.
Its healthy to se new people ask these questions though, so keep up the quest for truth and honesty and it will be yours in time.